New style VZ58 scabbard?

[Brian]

I am told by someone in Europe that this is the new style VZ58 scabbard, and that they are also available in desert camo.
Comments?

[Mr. B.]

Yes, examples of this new scabbard in both foliage and desert camo have been listed in eBay. Whether they were a commercial copy or a military overrun is unknown. The Czechs started development of a 5.56mm rifle system from 1986 -89 and adopted System "Lada" in 1991. This system included a new bayonet design. Somewhat similar to the VZ58 bayonet in size and style. The New design still has the mounting slot incorporated in the top of the hilt, but the catch is now located in the pommel. The blades are the same size and profile as the VZ58 and will fit both the VZ58 leather scabbard or the new fabric pattern. It appears that the early "Lada" prototypes, (M63), did use the original VZ58 scabbards. The new 5.56 system has replaced the VZ58 and it has been relegated to reserve status. This explains the large number of VZ58 bayonets available in the last few years. Even though the VZ58 bayonets fit in the new fabric scabbards this is not a correct match. M.

[Mr. B.]

I just received a couple of Christmas presents from the Czech Republic. New style VZ-2000 ("LADA"), scabbards, but unfortunately without the latest bayonets. They came in the original storage bags with inventory labels, (2008). The Velcro belt loop has a plastic locating pin similar to the Lithuanian fabric hangers. One strange thing I noticed is that the snap & Velcro hilt loops cross in different directions!? Pictured with Type III VZ58 bayonets. Mike

[Mr. B.]

[Mr. B.]

[Mr. B.]

I recently found a picture online that shows some additional variations of this style of Czech VZ58 scabbards. The different "woodland" pattern, second from right, has camouflaged edging and hilt strap were as the first pattern, second from left, had plain color. The scabbard on the far left appears to be designed to hang vertically point up? Mike

[Mr. B.]

It appears that the conventional belt style of hanger has been replaced by more modern and functional designs. Here are borrowed pictures of more recent Czechoslovakian load bearing equipment. This is a version of a woodland camouflaged vest with an integral sheath for a bayonet or knife. I believe there also may be desert camo and other versions available. Mike

[Mr. B.]

I was wrong! I finally got my hands on one of the new style pouches. It is not for the VZ58 bayonets. The blade is a little over an inch too long. Overall the whole bayonet is also too long for the pouch. It seems to me to be for a shorter fighting knife, type unknown. There are several sew patterns of this pouch and it is also available in desert camo. Mike

[Dragur2791]

Nice pouch however

[Mr. B.]

Brand new in the original bag. It is not for a bayonet, so I do not need it. First $20. plus shipping takes it. Mike

[buchtas]

To correct and add some information to this thread

I am told by someone in Europe that this is the new style VZ58 scabbard, and that they are also available in desert camo.
Comments?

Yes those were "new" scabbards for the vz 58, in some capacity even to this day with reserve units, probably, were military orderd and issued and for few years, they are being sold on the commercial market, either used from service or untouched in its original packaging, just like pictured here:

I just received a couple of Christmas presents from the Czech Republic. New style VZ-2000 ("LADA"), scabbards, but unfortunately without the latest bayonets. They came in the original storage bags with inventory labels, (2008). The Velcro belt loop has a plastic locating pin similar to the Lithuanian fabric hangers. One strange thing I noticed is that the snap & Velcro hilt loops cross in different directions!? Pictured with Type III VZ58 bayonets. Mike

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Regarding this picture:

I recently found a picture online that shows some additional variations of this style of Czech VZ58 scabbards. The different "woodland" pattern, second from right, has camouflaged edging and hilt strap were as the first pattern, second from left, had plain color. The scabbard on the far left appears to be designed to hang vertically point up? Mike

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One on the left is made by manufacturer Fenix protector, but contracted to be made in china, this example is in SK 2006 digital forest camo, they were also made in czech vz. 95 and yes can be hanged vertically, it has provision for it on the backside.

I have all of the offical known types in my collection and will show examples here.

[buchtas]

Fenix protector scbbard:
This type is not offical issue as far as we know, at least for czech army, but probably could have been privately bought by individual soldiers who wanted one. I cannot speak for the slovak army.
They are extremly hard, compared to any other scabbard, feels like a brick.
Cool thing about them is the fact that there is actually a manufacture date, which is neat

[buchtas]

SPM bayonet scabbards
S.P.M. Liberec, today known as Sewing development company, they are still made today for anyone and are offered in czech vz.95 cammo, slovak SK 2006 digital forest, multicam, black and olive or any toher custom camo you can provide

Type with cover:
this one is not military accepted one, there is not much evidence if they were ever issued.

Scabbard meant for the BON type combat knife bayonet, but still vz 58 scababrd:

[buchtas]

To correct his post, this is not a "new style of scabbard" this is a scabbard for the combat knife vz. 75 known as UTON, manufactured by MIKOV

I was wrong! I finally got my hands on one of the new style pouches. It is not for the VZ58 bayonets. The blade is a little over an inch too long. Overall the whole bayonet is also too long for the pouch. It seems to me to be for a shorter fighting knife, type unknown. There are several sew patterns of this pouch and it is also available in desert camo. Mike
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There are many UTON scabbards, majority are made of leather but some are made in the vz. 95 camo pattern, so be aware that they infact are not for a bayonet. You can notice that there are pouches on the front for the tool that are used with the knife
Example of the knife and scabbards:

uton combat knife

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military type with cover

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military type without cover

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civilian with vz. 95 camo

civilian with made up camo exclusively for this scabbard

Obviously not a bayonet nor bayonet accesories but good to have an example to not have it miss identfied as bayonet ones.

[buchtas]

This one needs a lot of correction and its own LADA bayonet thread which I will make later

Yes, examples of this new scabbard in both foliage and desert camo have been listed in eBay. Whether they were a commercial copy or a military overrun is unknown. The Czechs started development of a 5.56mm rifle system from 1986 -89 and adopted System "Lada" in 1991. This system included a new bayonet design. Somewhat similar to the VZ58 bayonet in size and style. The New design still has the mounting slot incorporated in the top of the hilt, but the catch is now located in the pommel. The blades are the same size and profile as the VZ58 and will fit both the VZ58 leather scabbard or the new fabric pattern. It appears that the early "Lada" prototypes, (M63), did use the original VZ58 scabbards. The new 5.56 system has replaced the VZ58 and it has been relegated to reserve status. This explains the large number of VZ58 bayonets available in the last few years. Even though the VZ58 bayonets fit in the new fabric scabbards this is not a correct match. M.
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Now, lets get through it quickly.
System was not in 5.56 at first, it was not adopted, there are 4 types of "LADA" bayonets. Yes they will fir the vz 58 scabbards, it was meant to replace the 58 in service, so if goverment can save up on scabbards it would be great finiancial decision. Ther eis nothing as early "LADA" prototypes (M63) this m63 name doesnt exist. Again, it did nto replace vz 58, that was done by CZ 805 Bren A1 in 2011, even then it took a lot of time and vz 58 might have been officialy relegated to the reserve status, but up until few years ago with the introduciton of BREN 2 it was still in active service. VZ 58 is still in use by theactive reserve units.
And yes, "new style scabbards" are correct match for the vz 58 bayonets since they were literally made for them.

Again, there is a lot more to be said about LADA system and its bayonets, that are one of the very few true AK bayonets made in Czechoslovakia/Czech Republic and I will be making dedicated threads for those later.

EDIT: forgot to mention that the pictures are from original CZ2000 sales catalogue but they were put together by someone in Poland for some internet showcase purpose. Not sure why the "author" claimed that it was his pictures, even tho they are CZUB factory pictures.