Russian AKM 6X3 Type I bayonets and scabbards

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Re: Russian AKM 6X3 Type I bayonets and scabbards

Post by MDIvie » Fri Jan 04, 2019 5:09 am

I believe Ilian is correct. The second mark is a T in triangle which, I believe, is a Tula proof mark.

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Re: Russian AKM 6X3 Type I bayonets and scabbards

Post by Mr. B. » Fri Jan 04, 2019 9:21 pm

Alright you guys present a good argument. I have spent the last hour studying the bayonet I believe has both arsenal marks on the cross guard. Different angles, lighting and magnification. Still not 100% sure as the triangle mark is not clear. It could contain an arrow or a "T". I'll go with the "T" you suggest as it would be more logical.

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Re: Russian AKM 6X3 Type I bayonets and scabbards

Post by Mr. B. » Tue Feb 26, 2019 8:56 pm

Brian wrote:
Wed Dec 05, 2018 12:09 pm
I still dispute that fact about the square butt ones.
If you look at the article linked previously: https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/201 ... Newsletter
he pictures those as correct for the 6x3 type 2
Brian, I tend to disagree with the author of this article on the point of two variations, (Type I and Type II), of the Russian 6X3 production. He quotes, "This bayonet has two versions which apparently have minor differences such as the material and color of the handle", with no further information provided. The line drawings, (not pictures), infer that the different shapes of the grips differentiate the Type I vs the Type II versions with no further information. Also note the line drawings of the Type I infer that it has both the round vs angular cross guard hooks. Where as the Type II is shown with only the angular hook. I would tend to agree with two variations due to the change in the hooks, (early vs late?), but not because of the shape, material or color of the grip panels. I would need to see more information/documentation/pictures. To me the color and shape of the grips on a new bayonet could even be a random change due to the availability of the parts, (grip panels) at any time during assembly. The square pommel grips are found on both early and late production from both Tula and Izhevsk. Were the grip panels molded by both arsenals or even provided by a sub-contractor. The possibility also exists of the square grips being produced during and post 6X3 bayonet production as replacements and rework/refinishing items.
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Re: Russian AKM 6X3 Type I bayonets and scabbards

Post by Mr. B. » Tue Feb 26, 2019 9:03 pm

As a further aside, what does he mean by differences in materials and color? I have seen no references to a different material used to mold the grip panels and wide variety of colors and marbling in both new and reworked Russian 6X3 bayonets. Even the square pommel grips vary in color, see pictures above. Mike

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Re: Russian AKM 6X3 Type I bayonets and scabbards

Post by RPBCPS » Sat Nov 02, 2019 9:17 pm

In my collection I have two flat end pommel 6X3's in my collection.
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As you can see both scabbards have been renumbered.

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Re: Russian AKM 6X3 Type I bayonets and scabbards

Post by Mr. B. » Sun Nov 03, 2019 3:57 am

Very Nice pair! They look like twins, may have been inspected, reworked and parts (grip panels?) replace about the same time. Similar numbering, same hand writing? Just curious, are the bayonets from Tula or Izhevsk? Are the arsenal marks on the right side of the cross guard or on the flat behind the muzzle ring? So far all of the "Flat Butt" 6X3 bayonets I have seen or owned have been from both arsenals and from both early and late production. This leads me to believe that they were only installed as replacements on reworked bayonets. Perhaps from an independent or sub-contractor after 6X3 production had ended. Mike

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Re: Russian AKM 6X3 Type I bayonets and scabbards

Post by RPBCPS » Sun Nov 03, 2019 1:36 pm

Mike,
Thanks again for your feedback, improving my ignorance with your knowledge is appreciated.
They are both Izhevsk marked, an the only difference I can see is the release button, one has a concentric circle design on it.
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The handwriting on the electro stencilling does look very similar. There Izhevsk arsenal marks on both these examples are located on the flat behind the muzzle ring. Here are some photos of the other markings on the bayonet.
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Re: Russian AKM 6X3 Type I bayonets and scabbards

Post by Mr. B. » Sun Nov 03, 2019 5:58 pm

Excellent detail pictures. Thanks for sharing. Interesting that they both have different like new release buttons. My guess is that they were replace along with the grip panels when they were reconditioned. Mike

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