Russian AKM 6X3 Type I -II Transitional Bayonets and Scabbards

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Russian AKM 6X3 Type I -II Transitional Bayonets and Scabbards

Post by Mr. B. » Tue Jan 09, 2018 4:46 pm

I noticed nothing on this site about the elusive Russian AKM 6X3 Type I bayonets with the Type II, (Plastic) scabbards. These original "Transitional" models are rumored to exist, but would be extremely rare. I have never seen a real documented one, only ones with suspect markings. The ones usually found are either a result of reworking or attempted fakes. Do they actually exist? If so from Izhevsk or Tula arsenal or both? Here is one version of a Russian AKM 6X3 Type I - Type II "Transitional" bayonet and scabbard. This one is not original as it was probably combined during a rework operation and has forced matching numbers. Both the bayonet and scabbard are from Tula arsenal and the correct time period. The arsenal star is stamped (hard to see in photo), on the flat behind the muzzle ring and molded on the scabbard. The bayonet has an etched number on the cross guard in place of the original one which has been lined out and a new number etched on the side of the grip and no other markings. The scabbard has the original number ground off and a new number etched on the same place. Both the bayonet and scabbard have been crudely covered with shellac which covers the original white ink proof marks. A Tula style wrist strap and hanger with flat ring have been added. Mike
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Re: Russian AKM 6X3 Type I -II Transitional Bayonets and Scabbards

Post by Mr. B. » Tue Jan 09, 2018 4:48 pm

More pictures of the reworked Tula "transitional" showing markings. Mike
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Re: Russian AKM 6X3 Type I -II Transitional Bayonets and Scabbards

Post by Mr. B. » Tue Jan 09, 2018 5:00 pm

This is another version of a Russian AKM 6X3 Type I -Type II "transitional" bayonet and scabbard. This one is from the Izhevsk arsenal. This one may also be a result of a rework operation, but it is nearer original. The arsenal mark is on the flat behind the muzzle ring. The race track 11 and diamond GB marks are on the right side of the crossguard. The original(?) number 5920 is etched on the left side of the grip. However, the 5 has been partially obliterated, (deliberately?), and is hard to read. The scabbard has the original molded arsenal mark and the matching original number 5920 is etched in the correct place, but both the 5 and the 920 have been lined out separately. A new number 920 has been etched on the cutter plate. A possibility the bayonet and scabbard were kept together during inspection and rework. They do not show signs of much other repair except for the numbering. They also came with a period correct wrist strap and hanger. Mike
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Re: Russian AKM 6X3 Type I -II Transitional Bayonets and Scabbards

Post by Mr. B. » Tue Jan 09, 2018 5:02 pm

More pictures of the Izhevsk 6X3 transitional showing markings. Mike
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Re: Russian AKM 6X3 Type I -II Transitional Bayonets and Scabbards

Post by ilian » Wed Jan 10, 2018 4:36 pm

Like this one ;)
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Re: Russian AKM 6X3 Type I -II Transitional Bayonets and Scabbards

Post by ilian » Wed Jan 10, 2018 4:37 pm

Some details ;) ;)
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Re: Russian AKM 6X3 Type I -II Transitional Bayonets and Scabbards

Post by Mr. B. » Wed Jan 10, 2018 7:09 pm

Very nice pictures! Thanks for sharing, looks like they do exist. At least from Izhevsk. Nice synthetic hanger too. Is this one yours Marc? I would like to see close ups of the arsenal marks on the bayonet and scabbard if you could. Is the one on the bayonet stamped on the flat behind the muzzle ring? Thannks, Mike

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Re: Russian AKM 6X3 Type I -II Transitional Bayonets and Scabbards

Post by ilian » Wed Jan 10, 2018 8:02 pm

Yes it's mine i will add some pics ;)

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Re: Russian AKM 6X3 Type I -II Transitional Bayonets and Scabbards

Post by ilian » Fri Jan 12, 2018 1:10 pm

Some pics like asked :-)
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Re: Russian AKM 6X3 Type I -II Transitional Bayonets and Scabbards

Post by Mr. B. » Fri Jan 12, 2018 3:56 pm

Excellent detail! Thanks! Beautiful bayonet and scabbard. To say I'm envious would be an understatement! Mike

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Re: Russian AKM 6X3 Type I -II Transitional Bayonets and Scabbards

Post by ilian » Fri Jan 12, 2018 7:05 pm

Thanks Mike i try to do my best.

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Re: Russian AKM 6X3 Type I -II Transitional Bayonets and Scabbards

Post by Brian » Sun Jan 14, 2018 3:33 pm

Have one also matching, unreworked. Will try and get some pics posted.
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Re: Russian AKM 6X3 Type I -II Transitional Bayonets and Scabbards

Post by Mr. B. » Tue Feb 26, 2019 7:08 pm

I keep waiting for someone to comment on the new information regarding these "Russian 6X3 - 6X4 Transitional Bayonets". In 2018 an article was posted titled " The History and Evolution of the Soviet/Russian AK Bayonets". In this article the author made the following quote regarding the change over from the 6X3 to the 6X4 Type l bayonet in 1964 - 65. "6X4 Type l - This very first version of the 6X4 bayonet was equipped with the scabbard borrowed from the previous model (6X3). It turns out that the distinctive red scabbard of this bayonet entered the service much later than the bayonet itself". If this statement is true, it contradicts what we have previously believed about the "Transitional Bayonets".

This new information raises a lot of questions. Why are there like new 6X3 bayonets with what appears to be original matching numbered Type II scabbards in pictures and references? Are they left over NOS, (New Old Stock), 6X3 bayonets paired and issued at a later date? Does anyone have knowledge of a 6X4 Type I bayonet in a Type I metal scabbard with original matching numbers?

I have seen and owned numerous examples of both of the above versions of "Transitional" bayonets and scabbards over the years. Almost all have been obviously reworked or of questionable originality. Almost all have forced matched numbers. The pictures and references of 6X3 bayonets in Type II scabbards with what appear to be original matching numbers in the correct style and position have led me to believe this is the correct version. How about the rest of you?

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Re: Russian AKM 6X3 Type I -II Transitional Bayonets and Scabbards

Post by ilian » Tue Jul 30, 2019 6:51 pm

i'm thinking like you Mike, for me 6x3 style bayonet with 6x4 polymer/plastic scabbard is the real transitional as we can observ on east german bayonets.

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