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Iraq AKM Type II Variation ?

Posted: Thu Dec 24, 2015 7:53 pm
by Mr. B.
I'm not sure what this AKM type II bayonet with a type I scabbard is. It is an original, as found, bring back from Iraq, complete with all the fine sand patina. I am posting this one under Iraq as it is similar to one shown in MDI's book as possibly Iraqi manufacture and or assembly from imported parts. There are no markings on the bayonet or scabbard. The blade appears to be Polish as it has no saw teeth. The scabbard is not Polish, as the as the cutter plate is stamped, not machined. The sun bleached wrist strap appears to be DDR as it has a large headed rivet. The hanger appears to be similar to the Yugos. A real mixmaster mongrel or ?????? M.
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Re: Iraq AKM Type II Variation ?

Posted: Fri Dec 25, 2015 1:02 am
by MDIvie
That appears to be a Polish Bayonet with an Iraqi hanger.

The bayonet in my book has a Polish style blade (no saw teeth) and an odd handle that reminds me of some of the Czech handles on VZ58 bayonets in that it is a red brown color and has what appears to be lots of fiber molded in it. Both the one in my book and the one in my collection have black painted scabbards that are like Maadi scabbards. The bayonet in my book belongd to a friend and didn't have a hanger. The bayonet in my collection has an odd hanger with leather that looks like Maadi leather but it has a snap for closing the keeper strap instead of a stud, the metal is silver instead of the normal Maadi black, and the snap hook is hollow backed like an East German snap hook. The bayonet in my collection also has the typical Egyptian yellow glue all over the grip spaces.

A friend informed me he actually saw these being used by Egyptian soldiers on a trip he took to Egypt. I now believe this bayonet variation was produced in Egypt from parts obtained from other countries.

I will post pictures later in the Egyptian section.

MDI

Re: Iraq AKM Type II Variation ?

Posted: Fri Dec 25, 2015 1:15 am
by croblade
I agree it is Polish bayonet.

Re: Iraq AKM Type II Variation ?

Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2018 7:20 pm
by Mr. B.
After seeing a few more of these unusual miss-matched mystery bayonets and scabbards I decided to move this one of mine from the "General Discussion - AK Bayonet Discussion" section to the Iraq section as it seems that most of them came from this area. Many of these items appear to be assembled from parts from more than on country. Where they were assembled, issued and used is very difficult to determine. There are many different opinions and theories about their origins, Egypt, Romania, Iraq, stc.. Mike

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Postby Mr. B. » Mon Jan 11, 2016 2:46 pm
This is one of three "Egyptian(?)" bayonets that I picked off a pile in Kuwait City in 1991. I had just started collecting AK bayonets and the only reference I had seen at that time was an article with pictures in the April 1987 issue od "Soldier of Fortune" magazine. My goal then was to find an example of all the ones in the pictures. Specifically I was looking for an Egyptian one as pictured. I found a couple nice ones with brown grips and matching Farsi numbers. One had a gray insulator and the other one was black. I noticed several with black grips and insulators and picked up a nice one with an unusual leather hanger and wrist strap, again with matching Farsi numbers. I never questioned, but assumed that they were liberated from the Iraqis. When I got home I studied the black one more closely and determined it was not like the other Egyptians. The scabbard was definitely not Egyptian and the bayonet was different in several ways as well. Pictures below compare it to an Egyptian brown grip. M.
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Re: Iraq AKM Type II Variation ?

Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2018 7:32 pm
by Mr. B.
More from the original post. Mike

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Postby Mr. B. » Mon Jan 11, 2016 2:55 pm
More comparison pictures, Egyptian vs Mystery bayonet. Notice different saw teeth and the straight finish grind on the blade vs the circular marks on the mystery one. The hilt is also missing all the yellow gunk usually found around the grip edges. The scabbard has a smooth body and a milled cutter plate unlike the stamped Egyptian ones. M.

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Re: Iraq AKM Type II Variation ?

Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2018 7:37 pm
by Mr. B.
Here is the last of my original post. Mike

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Postby Mr. B. » Mon Jan 11, 2016 3:10 pm
I have tried to compare this mystery bayonet to those from other ComBloc countries production and this is the closest match I have found. Below it is pictured with a Romanian AKM Type I bayonet. Could this be an early attempt by Romania to make a Type II bayonet and sold to Iraq with Type I bayonets? Scabbards match and so do the circular grind marks on the blades. just picked a random Romy for this comparison. Also note the black vs green insulator and the white vs brown hanger stitching. M.
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Re: Iraq AKM Type II Variation ?

Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2018 7:39 pm
by Mr. B.
This is the only Reply to the original post. Mike

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Postby croblade » Tue Jan 12, 2016 2:03 am
I like this all mixed bayonets, I put them in hybrid category in my collection. I buy them only if I get them from someone I am sure didn't have knowledge or interest in changing it to bet better price on marker.

I got one box of Maadi bayonets some time ago and in lot there were two bayonets with mixed Yugo/Maadi parts. Blade was Maadi and handle was M70.

BTW, this numbers on bayonet are not Farsi, they are Arabic (or Eastern Arabic, if we use Western Arabic). It is 1412 number or Arabic ١٤١٢, Farsi would be ۱۴۱۲

This could be Maadi bayonet in Romanian scabbard and with Romanian w/s and frog.
Maadi factory bought Romanian parts, I am sure for cross type hangers. I found lot of Maadi bayonets with Romanian belt hangers and they were still package, never used. So I believe it is possible they got these more common type of belt hanger, w/s and scabbards too.

Re: Iraq AKM Type II Variation ?

Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2018 7:50 pm
by Mr. B.
This is another Iraqi Bayonet and Scabbard that was recently posted in the "General Discussion - AK Bayonet Discussion" by Marco. Notice the similarities to the other unknown bayonets from the Middle East, (Iraq?). Mike

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Postby Marco » Tue Sep 18, 2018 8:40 am
And this one from irak. Seems with romanian material and markings. I don't know, need your knowledge.
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Postby Marco » Wed Sep 19, 2018 12:10 pm
My early irakian seems to be romanian
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