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Romanian Type II variations

Post by Brian » Tue Dec 25, 2018 6:30 pm

I have been asked a few times about any differences between the various Type II's that we come across.
As we know, the 2 sources seem to be South African contract ones from about 1988, and then the rest that are assumed to be either Romanian issued, or for export rifles.
The ones that are not SA contract (I'll call them Romanian Contract) come out with double Cugir logo, Logo on handle with a letter on the scabbard, and what seems to be at least one with logo on handle and no marking on the scabbard.
See the pics below. What I also noticed is a numeral 1 on the sheath of the double logo South African contract ones, and then in the same place, a vertical line (not a worn away 1) on the double logo Romanian contract one. Not sure what that indicates.
I have also noticed slight differences in the "bump" on the scabbards. One appears more of a teardrop with a sharper end.
I have taken some pics in the hope of documenting any variations in these. Maybe one of these days this variation will become clearer.

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Re: Romanian Type II variations

Post by MDIvie » Tue Dec 25, 2018 7:39 pm

I have both the double logo versions and got them from the same source. Am looking for any or all of the letter variatons.

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Re: Romanian Type II variations

Post by Mr. B. » Tue Dec 25, 2018 10:00 pm

I have a couple of the transitional ones with the type I scabbards, but none with the type II scabbards. Being retired and on a budget restricts purchases to those I can sneak thru under $100.00. I have to be patient and hope more become available at lower prices in the future. Would like to start with a nice one with matching numbers and triangles and arrows on both as a representable sample. May not have enough money or time for all the marking variations. Mike


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Re: Romanian Type II variations

Post by Dragur2791 » Wed Dec 26, 2018 10:27 am

Hello everybody - merry christmas and happy new year to you also! Greetings from Denmark!!

Brian, those are excellent looking variations of the romy type 2’s you got there in your collection.
Interesting to see the example with the blank area scabbard.
In total, what is an estimate of produced type 2’s ? Respectively the Romy and South African contract?

Im still on my first double logo piece. Payed high price to get it here in Europe. Those South African contract ones are high on my list!
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Re: Romanian Type II variations

Post by Brian » Wed Dec 26, 2018 4:33 pm

I haven't seen an SA contract one available for over a year. Seems whatever was stolen from special forces has now calmed down or been secured. Only way they would have left there. They do have a lot of the rifles and ammo that they bought late 80's..I guess for foreign weapons training.
But only a handful of collectors here know what they are and had the sources for them. I was just lucky with all mine.

As for quantities, that can only be guessed. I suspect the serials started with A1000 and the latest I have seen is about A12xx so maybe 250 rifles? Just a guess.
As to the Romanian/other contracted ones, no idea. That is the big question that we would all love to know.

Mike, secret to getting one of these I figure will be to trade for things you have more than one of. Tabuk or .....?
That's the best way to increase the collection now that we all need rarer stuff beyond our means.
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Re: Romanian Type II variations

Post by Dragur2791 » Wed Dec 26, 2018 6:28 pm

I often opt for more than one piece of each specific ak bayonet variation, to use em for possible trades in the future. Indeed a good way to acquire other rare stuff out there!

would love to see some close up details of that SA contract no A1128. Looks interesting with that darker grip and lighter coloured scabbard!

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Re: Romanian Type II variations

Post by MDIvie » Fri Dec 28, 2018 12:39 am

Brian,

My example of what you describe as the South African Contract variation with the 1 on the scabbard instead of the I is serial number 7076.

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Re: Romanian Type II variations

Post by Brian » Fri Dec 28, 2018 10:36 am

Martin,
SA ones will always have an A prefix.
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Or actually... A1xxx
7076 would not have come to SA, it must be part of either Romanian or other country issue. When I referred to the one with double logo and I as Romanian contract, I mean it is not part of the SA export/purchase.
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Re: Romanian Type II variations

Post by MDIvie » Fri Dec 28, 2018 7:21 pm

Brian thanks for the clarification.
So my bayonet has the same mold styles for the logo and the number 1 as the SA contract bayonets but is not an SA contract bayonet.

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